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因为想篡位只好让老板建国了Wanting the Throne, He Had to Make the Boss Found a State
Wanting the Throne, He Had to Make the Boss Found a State因为想篡位只好让老板建国了
五代十国期间,在江淮和江西地区曾经先后建立过两个相互承接,版图相似的政权,杨吴和南唐。在五代十国的战乱中,这两个政权控制的区域内保持了较长时间的和平和繁荣,文化和经济逐渐赶上了一直领先了上千年的北方。 然而,崛起于黄巢之乱的背景下,杨吴政权的前身——杨行密下辖的淮南军并不比同时代其他的军阀政权更加“文明”和内敛,反而一直是南方地区最咄咄逼人的势力。然而连续的继承危机逐渐改变了这个集团的色彩,也影响了整个南方地区的政治局面。 通过这一期活动,通过叙述徐温和徐知诰两代杨吴权臣的一些故事,梳理杨吴和平转变成南唐的过程,我们可以稍微了解一下这两个政权截然不同的底色,并且勾勒出一条晚唐五代时期军阀政权的转型出路。 一些可以热场讨论的问题: 从武德爆炸的晚唐走向重文轻武的北宋,中间发生过一些什么样的变化? 东南地区为何能在战乱频繁的五代十国期间保持相对的和平和繁荣? 你能想到历史上的哪些“傀儡政权”? 活动结束后我们还可以试着讨论以下的一些问题: 怎么看待徐温和徐知诰保境安民的选择? 杨吴到南唐的嬗变,是北宋政治的一面镜子吗? 两宋时期对杨吴-南唐政权的评价为什么越来越好?
During the Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms period, two successive regimes with similar territories were established in the Jianghuai region and Jiangxi: Yang Wu and the Southern Tang. Amid the wars of the Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms, the lands they controlled enjoyed a fairly long stretch of peace and prosperity, and their culture and economy gradually caught up with the north, which had led the way for more than a thousand years. Yet the forerunner of the Yang Wu regime, the Huainan army under Yang Xingmi, which rose amid the Huang Chao rebellion, was no more "civilised" or restrained than the other warlord regimes of its day; on the contrary, it was always the most aggressive power in the south. A series of succession crises, however, gradually changed the character of this group, and also shaped the political situation of the whole south. In this session, through stories of Xu Wen and Xu Zhigao, two generations of powerful ministers of Yang Wu, we will trace how Yang Wu was peacefully transformed into the Southern Tang. Along the way we can get a sense of the very different underlying character of the two regimes, and sketch one way out that was open to warlord regimes of the late Tang and Five Dynasties. Some warm-up questions: What changed between the late Tang, bursting with martial energy, and the Northern Song, which prized civil over military? Why was the south-east able to stay relatively peaceful and prosperous through the frequent wars of the Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms? What "puppet regimes" in history can you think of? After the session we can also try to discuss the following questions: What should we make of Xu Wen and Xu Zhigao's choice to protect their territory and keep the people safe? Is the transformation from Yang Wu to the Southern Tang a mirror of Northern Song politics? Why did assessments of the Yang Wu and Southern Tang regimes grow more and more favourable during the Song?
The notes below are in Chinese, as the talks are.
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2023-11-06 Yuanjie
五代十国期间,在江淮和江西地区曾经先后建立过两个相互承接,版图相似的政权,杨吴和南唐。在五代十国的战乱中,这两个政权控制的区域内保持了较长时间的和平和繁荣,文化和经济逐渐赶上了一直领先了上千年的北方。
然而,崛起于黄巢之乱的背景下,杨吴政权的前身——杨行密下辖的淮南军并不比同时代其他的军阀政权更加“文明”和内敛,反而一直是南方地区最咄咄逼人的势力。然而连续的继承危机逐渐改变了这个集团的色彩,也影响了整个南方地区的政治局面。
通过这一期活动,通过叙述徐温和徐知诰两代杨吴权臣的一些故事,梳理杨吴和平转变成南唐的过程,我们可以稍微了解一下这两个政权截然不同的底色,并且勾勒出一条晚唐五代时期军阀政权的转型出路。

一些可以热场讨论的问题:
从武德爆炸的晚唐走向重文轻武的北宋,中间发生过一些什么样的变化?
东南地区为何能在战乱频繁的五代十国期间保持相对的和平和繁荣?
你能想到历史上的哪些“傀儡政权”?
活动结束后我们还可以试着讨论以下的一些问题:
怎么看待徐温和徐知诰保境安民的选择?
杨吴到南唐的嬗变,是北宋政治的一面镜子吗?
两宋时期对杨吴-南唐政权的评价为什么越来越好?
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